Transcript - Christian Asare

Connecting Thoughts, Values and Habits to Good Health with Dr. Asare Christian, M.D.

Aware Christian: Foreign.

Rahbin Shyne: Welcome to 365 Brothers the Podcast. I'm your host, Robin Schein. I am delighted to bring to you brothers from across the United States and from various professions talking about their life experiences, their wisdom, their and a conversation that also touches on racial profiling in the United States.

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Our guest is a medical doctor and he is the founder of Ether Medicine which is a medical practice focused on delivering comprehensive and patient centered care addressing the underlying causes of pain and disease and with a strong dedication to enhancing the health and well being of his patients patients.

He brings extensive expertise in musculoskeletal medicine, pain management and regenerative medicine.

We're fortunate that we live in an age where many doctors are now appreciating the input of the patient. And our guest today is one of those doctors. He has always prioritized patient education and collaboration to develop customized treatment plans.

He's board certified in physical medicine and rehabilitation and a rehabilitation physician with training from renowned institutions such as the Medical College of Wisconsin, John Hopkins School of Medicine, Harvard Medical School, and get this certification in artificial intelligence in health care from MIT Sloan School of Management.

I'm just saying I'm impressed.

I can't wait to ask him the question about which accomplishment impresses others. So I'm going to tell you right now that artificial intelligence, that's mine until I hear something different,

that's that. And we go talk a little bit about that. In the meantime, let me actually tell you who we're talking to today. We are talking to Dr. Aseri Christian.

Welcome Dr. Asari.

Aware Christian: Thank you so much for having me. I'm glad and honored to be here.

Rahbin Shyne: Would you tell the listeners just a little bit about yourself before we go into the questions like where you were born and you know.

Aware Christian: Yeah, yeah, I was born and I grew up in Ghana in a small village called Bagraw. It's a tiny little small village. And I moved to the US when I was done with high school, about 16 years old.

I live in Milwaukee, Wisconsin. It was a different experience coming from Ghana to live in Wisconsin, went to college there, met my wife there, had two kids, went to medical school There.

But, you know, prominent in that process is having two amazing kids. Yeah.

Rahbin Shyne: Awesome. And I love that I get to interview brothers who are recognized as brothers, but who are from all over. And so I just really appreciate you being here and sharing yourself with my listeners.

So we start with the warmup. What is a favorite song or movie, either now or all time?

Aware Christian: So, I. I love reggae music. And, in fact, I actually played in the reggae band. You can see the bass here. Oh,

snap.

Yes. Yeah. So my favorite music is by Bob Marley. It's called Wall, and it's one of the albums from 1976. It's called Rastaman Vibration. And it has a specific message there that really resonate with me.

And also, like, which is this idea of, until the philosophy which hold one man superior and another inferior is finally discredited and permanently abandoned,

there is always going to be war. And actually, that was a speech that was given by Haile Selassie, an emperor of Ethiopia, to the United Nations. So it's a long statement talking about how do we have to get to a place of peace?

And it becomes a function of really respecting each individual. So it's a really powerful music and a powerful message, especially in this contest where there's so much division and still struggling to figure out how do we solve some of the problems we have in America and across the world.

Yes.

Rahbin Shyne: I love that selection. As you were sharing that, I realized I'm such a surface Marley fan because I have the greatest hits, and they're probably 12 to 15 songs that I know pretty well.

But not that one. I don't know that I've ever heard of that one. Is it played often on.

Aware Christian: It is played often, and it's actually a big one. And it's actually. Yeah, so it's. It's a big one. And I guess it depends where you grew up. So growing up in Ghana, that was, like, kind of an anthem for all of Africa.

And it was, you know, this guy from Ethiopia and who has given a speech to.

Rahbin Shyne: Yes.

Aware Christian: The United nations in 1963. And at that time, a lot of colonialism and how black people were treated in Africa were very unfair. So he had this message. It was really powerful.

And that's a long message, which is kind of the basis of the song. So the verse one, verse two is all about talking about. Yeah. So it's a wonderful.

Rahbin Shyne: Okay, now I have to go listen and see if it's one that I just don't recognize it. But I don't think that's it.

Aware Christian: I will Send it to you. I'll send it to you.

Rahbin Shyne: All right, awesome.

And, you know, and Haile Selassie, I appreciate that you mentioned his speech to the UN because here we had World War II and European nations were all pissed off that Hitler and Mussolini, Germany and Italy respectively, were taking over their countries and just doing what they wanted with their resources.

And then they have this big fight, win the war. And then the African nations were like, excuse me, you know how you didn't like people running your stuff? Yes, we feel the same way.

Aware Christian: Exactly. That was exactly the speech. And it was really powerful. And it's still so current and so accurate and so vivid and importance of kind of respecting each individual. And if we're going to try to get peace for everybody, not just black people, but for everybody, we have to have kind of respect,

respected for supercar. We have to give it to receive.

Rahbin Shyne: Yes. Yes. Awesome. Well, yeah, thank you for that. I love that selection. What about a favorite moment from your childhood?

Aware Christian: Yeah. So I would say that would be growing up in Ghana. So I'm the only child and my mom is the oldest of, I think six,

and she will have this birthday parties for me. So growing up in this small village, about 12,000 people, and in that village there wasn't a lot of people getting any birthday parties.

And we'll have like Coke. You know, this is something you only have once a year. It's not like here where you have access to Coke and all of these things and having cookies and biscuits and all of these things were things that it's not the norm.

You get that every once in a while. So being able to have that experience. And there was so much love growing up. My aunties, my. My grandparents, everybody made me feel special.

So I always remember that moment. And it's always been kind of been the theme of my family. I always tell people how blessed I am that I grew up with so much love, because all my aunties, my mom had me a little bit earlier when she was in high school and she was the oldest.

All of the aunties and uncles, everybody kind of raised me. So that was a wonderful, memorable moment. And I still cherish it up to this day.

Rahbin Shyne: Yeah, that's awesome. How many people?

Aware Christian: Probably about 40 or five. I mean, the whole village, the whole small came to the place because nobody ever does such a thing. Right. It was such a foreign concept because, you know, my mom was educated or, you know, at that time, you know, going through high school was even considered education,

higher education.

She lived outside of the town. So she came home and did all of these things, and nobody really have that done for them in the village. Celebrating a birthday party, things that we take for granted here.

Right?

Rahbin Shyne: Yeah.

Aware Christian: Experience. And we got a whole bunch of kids and everybody was there, so.

Rahbin Shyne: Oh, that sounds fabulous. I bet. I bet it's not just you who has that as a favorite memory.

Aware Christian: Yes, I'm sure.

Rahbin Shyne: Right. Oh, that's awesome. And I also appreciate the generosity of it, you know, to bring that to the whole village, not just, you know.

Aware Christian: Absolutely. Yeah. I had a little picture and I don't. I have to figure out where it is with my mom. And it was just me and like a whole bunch of people standing behind my back.

Rahbin Shyne: Yeah.

Aware Christian: I have to go back and look at that stuff again.

Rahbin Shyne: Let's talk about accomplishments.

I asked this question in two parts. First, the accomplishment that means the most to you personally, and then the accomplishment that tends to impress others. Right. And you've already heard my version of that.

So let's start with that first. Which accomplishment is the one that means the most to you personally?

Aware Christian: Yeah, so personally, I would say one is my kids, you know, having two kids. I have a daughter, Asabia, who is 18, and my son is Asari. He is 13 now.

So I'm super proud of that accomplishment. I think that's. That's wonderful to be able to have that privilege to raise kids and to see and reflect and just this amazing miracle thing that happens in life.

And I also, on a personal level, I also did something when I was in medical school, the field that I went into, which is physical medicine and rehab. When I was in medical school, we did not have rehab medicine in Ghana and most of sub Saharan Africa, except like.

So part of the goal was I wanted to go home and establish a rehab medicine residency. And I was able to do that. So that's something that I'm very proud of.

It's a reflect to some of the things that you say you're going to do. Eventually you do them. So, you know. Oh, my gosh. Yeah, I did those things. I check all of those things off.

So I'm very proud of those two moments personally. And I think from people's impression of what is impressive to. To them about me is going to Hopkins, going to Harvard, having mit, and then also creating ether medicine.

And that's the ego identity, but also thankful and grateful for. For that experience and that observation as well.

Rahbin Shyne: Yeah, excellent.

So I just want to circle back. You said that in terms of one of the two accomplishments that you shared that you're personally proud of was starting a residency program in rehabilitative medicine or physical medicine.

And I'm going to assume you went and started that in Ghana and you said that they didn't have anything like that in that region.

Aware Christian: Yeah. So like the whole sub Saharan Africa, there's a lot of trauma, like motor vehicle accidents because we have bad roads. There is a lot of stroke, a lot of cardiovascular risk.

So people are kind of getting all of this disease states that leads to disability. And a lot of those disabilities are actually preventable or amenable to rehab. We're here in the US if you have a stroke, you go to a rehab hospital, they get you better, you move on.

You get in a car accident, you get some of those things. So when I was in medical school, I went and did a study at one of the trauma centers in Ghana.

And one of the things I recognized, like these people will have trauma, car accident, fall, whatever it is, and they will get trauma surgeons who do the surgeries and try to save them.

But then after that, because people don't get rehabilitation, physical therapy or any of those type of services, then they end up developing disability. And that had huge implication on society, on families.

In fact, I went through that myself, my grandmother. And actually that's how I end up in rehab medicine. My grandmother fell in Ghana and hit her head. So she developed brain injury and she got a shunt.

She had this surgery to kind of save her. Her life. But then there was no rehab. So now my aunties, my mom have to kind of take off to kind of take care of her.

So we did not have a residency there. So. True. My mentor, who. Who was a great physical medicine physician, guided me and we were able to establish something that. And we had started this program that I think is ongoing for three years now.

I was part of the first year to really. And it took a lot of work. It took a lot of work going to the Ghana Ministry of Health, writing a proposal when I was at Harvard.

So we did a lot of work and it looks like things are taking off. So honored and glad to be able to be part of making that happen. Yeah.

Rahbin Shyne: Wow. Wow. And you know, I just so happens that this past weekend I had the privilege of having lunch with a brother I met through interviewing brothers and his wife. And his wife is from Germany.

And we were talking about health care and what is provided in other nations as part of their general health care and things that are not provided here. You know what I mean, that you have to pay for.

And I remember being like, wow, you guys get all that taken care of? Like they have all this rehabilitative treatment programs in various areas.

I guess it's just reminding me that there's always more that we can bring. And maybe there's no place on the planet where the average person is getting all of the variety of benefits of health care, the benefits of technology, the benefits of all the research that we have.

And I think we don't discuss enough the long term cost when we don't provide, whether it's rehabilitation for strokes or any of this stuff. When we don't treat disease well, it still ends up costing us more down the road.

And so we're cheap at the beginning, but then we end up paying more in the long run. And anyway, don't even let me get started.

I only started down that road. You can see that's an issue for me. I only started that road because I can appreciate the difference that rehabilitative medicine will make. Yeah.

And even though we won't get into all of the work that you did, I do know that laying the foundation as soon as you said you had to go through the Ministry of Health, we know that's bureaucracy.

Aware Christian: My goodness. Yeah.

Yes, yes, yes. And people wanting to take credit. And for me it was all about, let's get it done. I don't, I'm not about who started this.

Rahbin Shyne: Yeah, right, right. Because the head of the Ministry of Health wants to say it's them. The party leader wants to say it's them that wants to say it's that. The hospitalist wants to say them,

I am happy.

Aware Christian: I am happy for them to own it. And it's the whole point of saying, you know, Africa, we don't need somebody to come and tell you that you need these things.

Right. We don't have to have an European to come to your country to tell you that you need to take care of the people with disability. So I kind of care about some of those things and how to even influence that in the future.

But we can talk about that at different times. Healthcare. Yes.

Rahbin Shyne: And let me just say that I thought I was most impressed by the artificial intelligence. I'm going to ask you about that before we go into the other questions. But I can tell you that making the kind of difference that that hard work will make.

Okay, so now that's the one right? Now that I'm like, ooh, wow, you're getting it done. Okay, now, because we did mention that you also.

Sloan School of Management,

we've all heard of it. We know the Name? Well, some of us who are into that kind of thing and artificial intelligence. What should we know about this new intersection between artificial intelligence and healthcare?

Aware Christian: Yes, I took this course because.

And I'm still interested in technology. How do we use technologies to solve problems? And healthcare has its own problems. The majority of it is inefficiency and safety issues. Right. So healthcare costs a whole lot because there's so much waste in the system.

So even though there's all of this advancement in technology and different sectors of businesses, healthcare still is so very archaic in terms of even electronic medical records. Not so long ago, we still used to write in papers and you have to go read.

So there was so much that can be done looking at the exponential growth in technology. So I became interested in how do I learn about artificial intelligence, this technology that can do some of this automated work, try to augment what we do as physicians.

Because part of the thing that we also recognize is that despite all the great intentions that doctors and healthcare people have, we are human and we do make mistakes. There are certain things people give the wrong medications and other things like that.

So this was a way for me to kind of try to understand what does that space look like. But even when I took that course,

it wasn't really as advanced as I would like for it to be. It was basically trying to give machine learning, basically giving a whole bunch of data to a computer system, and then it learns how to figure out how do we diagnose breast cancer, how do we pick things up?

So it was specific areas, like in radiology. But I think since then, again, there's just exponential growth, and I'm still kind of paying attention to figure out where do we use this effectively to really influence care delivery, giving patient educational things that they can do, and try to figure out how to solve disparities and all of those things.

So that's where my interest is. But I kind of feel like I haven't really applied it to where I needed to be.

Rahbin Shyne: In your estimation as a practicing physician,

would you say that? And again, I know this is just on your personal experience, but would you say that 20%, 40%, 60% of doctors are looking at what AI can bring to healthcare?

Aware Christian: So I don't have numbers per se, but I think, I would think maybe about 20, 30% or even bigger. But I think because doctors have this problem, especially using EMRs. This is the systems that we use to document our notes and, and deliver care.

And it's a lot of them. There's so many of them. And they are comfort. They take too much time. You have to type and patient complain that, hey, doc, why are you not looking at me?

Why are you typing? Because we have time so we can bill, so we can get paid. The systems are really designed for payment initially. That's what it was set up to do.

It wasn't set up to deliver care. So I know that a lot of doctors are very frustrated with all of those systems. And we already know that you can have an AI that could be in the room as you talking to that can just take the notes and write the notes.

Yes. There's no value in a doctor writing a note in an emr. Yes. What the patients care for is. Doc, are you listening to me? Are you paying attention to what I need to do?

What is the plan? What am I going to do next? Right. And the same doctor also care about the same thing. How am I going to get the right information to my patient or get the right diagnosis or right information so I can give a better plan for the patient instead of typing all of these things that insurance want me to do and everybody else want me to do.

So that's something that AI potentially can do for us in the future or even maybe doing now. So I think there's a lot of interest. I will, I will assume that a lot of doctors will be interested how do we use it in that type of case.

But that's just one aspect of it. Right? It's going beyond just accomplishing tax. What else can we think about using AI in delivering care and also reducing risk and other things like that?

Rahbin Shyne: I'll say this and then we'll move on. But I just happened to catch on the news something about how they let machine AI learn from a bunch of breast cancer scans and the machine saw something that humans would never have picked out as a way to detect earlier a potential breast cancer diagnosis.

And I was like, that's cool.

Aware Christian: That is very cool. And I learned about that when I was doing that AI course at MIT and how that's really going to be changing how we diagnose and pick up things a little bit sooner.

And that's what this systems can definitely help us to do.

Rahbin Shyne: So and hopefully it will be a boon for people of color as well. You know what I mean?

Aware Christian: Absolutely. Because yeah, we talked about even AI some of the biases in the program because it's machine learning. In fact, one of the cases that we review at MIT was talking about the fact that a lot of the data that was inputting into the system that The AI has to learn the machine learning.

Right. You give it all this information and that information is already biased minorities. So making sure that that design or that aspect is put into the development of some of these technologies and making sure that people of color and others are not cut out because of what the machines is being fair to learn.

Rahbin Shyne: Yeah, well, I'm glad you're on the case. I'm glad you're involved.

That makes me feel better to know there are doctors like you who are at that intersection. Even I got that you said, you know, it's at a basic level of interest so far.

But I, given what you've already accomplished, it's like, yeah, okay, we'll see.

Aware Christian: I expect to see you on the news.

Rahbin Shyne: Let's talk about words. What is a favorite quote saying, metaphor or book and why?

Aware Christian: 1 My own things that I say to myself is if you got it, you got it. And it's yes,

if you got it, you got it. Right? And, and it, and it's about confidence and it's about not, you know, comparing yourself to anybody else. If you got it, you can mean to you, you have something nobody else got right.

You and being able to kind of step into this space of yeah, I got it, you know, and if you got it, you got it. Doesn't have to compare yourself to everybody else.

You know, it's basic, it doesn't make any sense. But the idea is really kind of having some way to, to really self validate yourself and give yourself compassion and grace in what you do.

And then the second quote, which I like, and this relates to healthcare, is this idea that your health is a lagging indicator of your habits. So yes, right. And it sounds, it sounds kind of harsh, but it's.

Rahbin Shyne: And all my habits, all my bad ones, just last. I got some good, I got some bad ones.

We all do song right there. That's stung. It's a lagging indicator of your habits.

Aware Christian: That's of your habits. Exactly. And it's just really getting people to. And I use that to educate my patient because people will say, you know, I've gone to physical therapy, I've done injections, I've had medications, I've had surgery and I'm still in pain.

I deal with pain. They do all of those things without changing any of their habits. They're still not forgiving, they're still not sleeping, they're still pissed off about something that happened to them.

All of that perpetuate pain. So really getting people to understand, how do you change habits? And it's hard, right? It's starting from people's thoughts. You have all these thoughts, especially people in pain and other things.

The thoughts hangs around long enough, and it becomes a belief and running long enough, and it becomes a value. And then your value becomes your habits. Right? Your habit and your habits create your personality, and your personality creates your personal reality, which is something that Jody Spencer talks about.

So really getting people to deconstruct, where do I start to change my health? And it's something that you can do something about, right? It's a habit. And we can change habit.

We can modulate habit. We can reprogram all of these things. So I love that quote as a way to really get to connect with my patients and get them to change habits.

Because I have also come to recognize as a physician that it's hard to be a doctor because we are in the business of habit change. That's why the healthcare system is not that great.

People are still doing the same things. We know what keeps people healthy. Right. But we don't learn anything about how do you change habit. It takes going beyond behavior, economics, positive psychology, personal development, all of these things that people have to put in place to really change it.

Because we all know what we're supposed to do, right? Look at doctors. Doctors knows about health. How many doctors are healthy? So there's actually a gap between knowing and doing.

How do we. How do we bridge that gap? So that's what I'm interested in and actually really interested in behavior change. How do we change habits? And so I like that quote.

And that's something I kind of push out as a way to. To connect and educate my patients.

Rahbin Shyne: Okay. So I'm gonna say it to you. You got it?

Aware Christian: I'm gonna listen to you. Yes.

Rahbin Shyne: And I think listeners can kind of hear my sounds and my size and know that I'm over here smiling and like, wow. Because first of all, I just love your underlying philosophy, the way you broke it down.

It starts with your thoughts. Your thoughts become beliefs. Like, you know, and not that I heard anything similar before, but just what is new for me to have someone articulate is the relationship between the habit of thought and your physical,

your body and your health. We know there's a mind body connection. That's not really news. We know that stress and being unforgiving will impact your health. We know those things.

But I think what I love that you shared and that I got to hear, my listeners get to hear, if it just adds one little bit to their already understanding of health is the habit piece,

because it's so hard. I'm changing what I eat. I'm doing intermittent fasting now,

so that's a good habit. I'm still drinking beer, though. Not as good a habit.

Aware Christian: Yeah.

Rahbin Shyne: Because I walk regularly. I do all these things, and the reality is I do all those things so I can keep my bad habit.

Aware Christian: Well, there's way to hack the system, but I think it's. It's awareness. Right? So even just becoming aware of some of those things and you go, okay, now I know maybe I should do more work before I, you know, I should do more squats after I drink my beer.

All of those things can be really organized in a way. And I think that's what patients are looking for. Individuals are looking for ways to really live life in a way that's not restricted, that's meaningful, and that's enjoyable.

Right. It has to go beyond stepping outside of medicine. You have to get into psychology. You have to get into sociology. I know, that's your thing. The environment plays a role in how you change habit.

Right. The environment is an invisible hand of behavior change. Where people hang out, it's going to change the environment. So when I'm sitting here, I have this space that I sit.

And even, you know, as a physician, I have. All this is I'm trying to do when I come sit here, this environment, I get tuned in to really try to get into reading or learning and doing.

Yes, environment is super important. And all of those things can be brought into even how we design the hospital. I have a clinic now, and it's been designed to use that environment to change people's habit.

Because the whole thing I recognize is that everybody want to do the right thing. They just can't, you know. And what it is, is I have four rooms there. And the first room is meditation.

The second room is exercise. The third room is nutrition. The last room, the fourth room, is sleep. These are so fundamental basics of health. Right. We all go to medical school, we learn these things, and if people can do those things, they actually get better.

Not just pain get better, their cardiovascular get better, their metabolic health get better. But how do you use that to slowly just nudge people? They come in and we talk about that.

How is your stress? Oh, gosh, I'm so stressed. What do you do about stress? I don't know what to do. So it's really just really trying to use that environment to really help people, and eventually it clicks.

Rahbin Shyne: Our health care system is not about prevention. It's about treatment and What I hear you talking about is prevention. And I wish your philosophy were the common philosophy for doctors.

Aware Christian: It's really unfortunate. And I'll tell you this story that actually, please.

It's kind of sad because I was working at a hospital before I opened this practice, Ether medicine. I opened ether medicine two years ago. So when I was going to open this practice, the goal was I want to use health to get people out of pain.

Because I've done injections, I've done all of these things, I've done medication, they're still in pain, right? And I opened this practice and as a doctor, I actually did not know how to make people healthy.

I just knew how to do injections. I can look at the X rays, I can do all of those things. So even many doctors really don't understand how do we get people healthy.

We can get out of sickness if you're sick, we can prescribe diabetes meds. We can do all of those things. But the things that makes a difference, which is 80, 90% of the things that are happening in the people's houses before they come to a clinic is what they put it into their body,

what they're putting into their mind, how they're moving, how they interact with other things.

And we don't spend time to focus on that. So even for me, even though that's what I wanted to do, it took me a while to figure out going back to medical school, learning all of this principles again, learning about nutrition, learning about sleep and how fundamental it is,

learning about exercise. How do you teach somebody how to exercise who has pain?

So it takes a different approach. And I think once we do those things, not do our patient get out of their problems, but they actually get overall quality of improvement in their life, they live longer.

There's other things that we can influence by really focusing on some of those principles. So my hope is that at some point doctors will go back to becoming healers again and really understanding what keep people healthy, which is something I have to relearn after practicing for eight years.

Rahbin Shyne: As an educator, I can't help but hear you and think about children and the difference it would make if doctors educated their patients, right, their adult patients. And then those adult patients learned all this stuff about better nutrition and proper sleep.

And then it goes without saying that that would influence how they raise their children. And then we've got healthier children. They're not on hot Cheetos and Coke and stand up till three in the morning playing games.

And so you've planted the seed of A vision of what healthcare could be. And thank you for that.

Aware Christian: No worries. It's something that I'm very worried about because kids are not sleeping.

Sleep is so fundamental for healing, regeneration, making hormones. I mean, it's is this aspect of life. Right. Sleep will stop cancer development, sleep will stop metabolic disease, sleep with all these things.

And we have young people that are not sleeping and spending so much time on screens and have a public health background. So I always kind of think about how do we solve the problem?

It's all preventable. Right.

Rahbin Shyne: I can see how that would connect and have you be so well rounded as a physician. And I got to tell you, talking to you, we'll see if it sticks. But I'm like, so no more watching that last, that one more episode and staying up till 2.

No more.

Aware Christian: Yes, yes.

Rahbin Shyne: That's another habit. That's another habit. Okay.

Aware Christian: Anyway, we'll talk about that later.

Rahbin Shyne: Yeah, that's another.

Aware Christian: I'll talk to you later. Yes.

Rahbin Shyne: Yeah. What is a conversation moment or event that either changed the trajectory of your life or. Or had a significant impact on your life?

Aware Christian: Yes. So I will say it will be when I. A situation. When I graduated from Hopkins, I finished residency and I moved to Boston right away to start a fellowship at Harvard Medical School.

And during that transition, I was also going through a divorce. So my ex wife at the time, we just didn't kind of work out and so she moved away and I moved to Boston to do my fellowship.

And I got to Boston and it kind of just hit me, this, this gate of awareness right, where, you know, my, my last three years of being a resident, I was achieving.

You know, I've gotten everything, I've given awards, I do all of these things and I got there and I recognize I don't even know myself,

you know, so as an adult, I've come to all of these places, grown up, done all of these things, and I did not know what made me happy. I did not know how to feel emotions.

So there's like this inner awareness, becoming aware of myself and who I am, what I want. I don't really have any of those things. So it was a very interesting realization for me to kind of figure out, okay, my anger, what triggers me, what makes me upset, what made me happy.

And I couldn't even figure out what made me happy. It was always a proxy. Oh, when I do well in school, when my kids are good, when my class is good.

And it was like, okay, you. What makes you happy? And most people can. Can't even you know, answer that question. What makes you happy that is not going to be a proxy of somebody else?

So get to Harvard. And that also exposed me to different ideas and philosophy, learning behavior, economics, learning different things that influence how we behave. So that really opened my eyes to this idea of personal development.

And those are all things that I've kind of known. I just didn't know how to do it. So I think going to Harvard really woke me up to this space of questioning my emotions, my thoughts and how I feel.

And that's something that maybe brothers don't do a whole lot of, right? We don't question, we don't feel. We just kind of go through life. And most people go through life and all of those things build up the body, keeps score, influence your activities, your health, all of these things are connected,

right? So being able to become aware of some of those things and try to figure out, how do you solve problems? I have problem with anger, how do I solve it?

What is going on with me? Why am I angry? And all of those things. Despite all this love that I grew up with, I still have not learned how to be aware of myself, be aware of my emotions and listen to these emotions.

You feel something, there's a reason why you're feeling something. What is it getting a little bit deeper and not being afraid to kind of unfold and try to understand what is God or the universe trying to tell you?

So for me, that experience of going through divorce and that kind of experience of failing a marriage and really kind of looking back and seeing like, yo, I haven't even paid attention to what was going on.

I was just going to school, that I haven't felt any of my emotion. I was just angry and I, you know, and didn't really work on, hey, man,

you have some choices here. You can choose to grow up. You can choose to not be a victim and not having this victim mindset. And why is this happening to me?

It's not Teflaud. It's not my fault, right? But being able to become aware and do the work, to really wake up, clean up and show up is what is needed to kind of get me to where I am.

So I'm happy that even though it was a really sad moment, nobody really saw it, right? I was going through that. I was doing 2 degrees, I was getting an mph and still part of the fellowship and doing what I'm doing.

But inside I was really having a tough time questioning all of these things. Does this even matter? What am I doing with this? If I'm not happy. So it was just that experience of going through divorce and my kids and missing them and where they were and everything like that.

So that's, that's kind of what triggered that. And it was something I needed to do to grow. And I'm still kind of working on that growth path.

Rahbin Shyne: Yeah,

I've. I've heard something similar a couple times.

At the very height of accomplishment, Right. You're doing all the things and you're focused and you're getting it done. And I think it's more common than we realize that many times the high achievers, the ones who are single, focused on getting something done, and then you realize, oh my gosh,

wait a second. Is, is this for me?

Aware Christian: Yeah.

Rahbin Shyne: And I think it's that juxtaposition of a crisis in our non accomplishment life. You know what I mean? In the part now, I don't want to say non accomplishment, but you know.

Aware Christian: Like, you neglect something. It's not holistic. It's not holistic. Yes.

Rahbin Shyne: That's just like focusing on one.

Aware Christian: Yeah, thank you.

Rahbin Shyne: That is exactly right.

Aware Christian: Very narrow focus. And you can't, you can't. You have to focus on all aspects of your life matters and all of those things.

Rahbin Shyne: That's right. Holistic. That's what I'm trying to say.

Aware Christian: Yes.

Rahbin Shyne: What is a moment or an event that in some way either signifies or highlights your experience as a black man in the United States?

Aware Christian: Yeah. So, you know, like I said, I move here and I live in Milwaukee, Wisconsin. And you know, growing up in Ghana, that's where I'm from. Right. So subconsciously there is this belonging that you have.

You know, it's hard for me to explain it. Even when I go home now to Ghana, I'm American citizen, but I go home now, I still feel it were in Milwaukee, there was this sense of I never felt like I belonged there.

And, and it was this experience that we had as, you know, all my friends, you know, the black people, and we were in college and we're doing great things, but even trying to get to the club, I was, I've been looking back, I was like, oh my gosh, how they treated us.

Like they won't let us in. They would just pick people out. There was all of these experiences that we had that were just really.

I look back and I was like, ah, that was not a great experience. It just didn't feel good. Right. And the thing that's really messed up about that whole experience is that, oh yeah, you know, I was in medical School, and my friends were in medical school.

So somehow I felt like I should be treated better as a black person because. And then the other black people can be, you know, and it's just so fucked up how.

Excuse me.

Rahbin Shyne: Fine.

Aware Christian: Yeah. How that really messes with you to kind of, oh, I should, you know, and it shouldn't be that way. I shouldn't be okay with. Because I have a medical degree.

I should be treated better than the next black person.

I went to Baltimore and it totally flipped around where I was in Baltimore. And Baltimore, even though it was kind of like a rough place, people actually do recognize you.

You walk by people and they look at you and they kind of nod, you know, like a brother. Walk by a brother and go, what's up? You know, like, everybody has this, like, connection that you have, and you felt seen and you felt, you know, it was a crazy place.

There was trauma. There was like, shooting every here and then. But I even felt belonging in. In Baltimore. And then when I go back to Milwaukee, it was kind of the same thing.

I just kind of felt like this shell. So it's a very interesting experience to kind of see being in different environment and how you get treated and how that program, even your behavior, your habits, and even how you see the world.

But I think, you know, since then, too, I've moved to different places, and it's also growing. You get to a certain place and you got to a place like, hey, man, I got it.

If you got it, you got it.

Yes. You know, I won't let anybody determine how I feel and who I am and all of that stuff. I know I'm coming from, so it takes some time to mature, but I think that's a very interesting thing.

And even being in America for so long, I'm confident in myself. I still have this. There is this noise in this environment that makes you feel like you don't belong.

Right? So that's. That's been an interesting experience that, you know, I'm dealing with. Yeah.

Rahbin Shyne: I.

I think a lot about.

And a lot is relative. I think of how, as African Americans,

a lot of us don't really feel American, like we're American, but it. There's this otherness that just is so pervasive.

Right. And. And. And they. I. I read some stuff where they're now calling it. I don't know if. If it's like an official term, but being othered. And. And so what I hear is, like, in Milwaukee, you had the experience of being othered, and then you go to Baltimore.

And I think all of us as African Americans know that experience of when you're in a town or a convention and everybody's just like, hey, hey, hey, how you doing?

Hey, what's up? What's up? How you doing?

Good, right? And then there's when you're not in that environment, and then it's like, you know,

I'll speak for myself. It's like, I'm on guard because I don't feel like having my feelings hurt when I want to smile and say hello when somebody gives me that, oh, I don't speak to people like you.

Yeah, I love that you put on the table the,

the way we can sometimes feel like our achievements or our money,

that these things entitle us to a other than black experience.

Like, you think you're gonna out, you're gonna outgrow your blackness.

I've over educated my blackness, okay. I've overcome my blackness.

Aware Christian: No, no, no, no. And it's really messed up that we.

Rahbin Shyne: Actually think that, but it's true. And I just appreciate you putting it on the table because we don't talk about that. But that is true. You're like, but I have money.

Like, I don't think you understand. Like, why are you looking at me like that? And I'm offended because you don't know I have money versus just being offended. Why do you think black people don't have money?

Or better yet, like, why is that even a reason? Why is that the reason whether or not you're going to be appropriate just.

Aware Christian: To be decent to a human being?

Rahbin Shyne: Yeah, yeah, Just be decent. Let's just, let's just. I mean, that's, that's novel. Let's just be decent.

So, yeah.

One of the things that many brothers have in common are certain experiences with law enforcement. Not every brother has a horrible experience. However, the aggregate paints a picture of the pervasiveness of racial profiling.

Tell me about your experiences with law enforcement.

Aware Christian: Yeah, so I've had good ones and bad ones. And I think, you know, I've been very fortunate. I mean, the experience. I've had some tickets and other things which I was speeding.

But I had this experience when I was in college where I was driving from Minnesota or someplace. I went, you know, I was dating a girl over there and driving back and I, I saw a car that was kind of like following me, right?

And I was like, oh, I've seen this car. This guy's been following me for a while and actually was a police officer and basically he followed me Until I went over the speed limit and he put me over.

I was like, oh, my goodness, what the hell is this? Right?

I try not to give away my sovereignty or my agency.

Even though I was young, I was still grounded in this protective thing. I won't let anybody get into my bubble. So it was like, okay, this is annoying, but whatever, right?

And so I went to court, and actually they just took off the point, and I had to go take some classes and things like that. So that was that. And it was a time where police officers are.

Just saw our car. I was driving. It was me and my friends were driving, going this way. And this female police officer could turn around really fast, very aggressive,

just pull us over. I just remember it vividly how aggressive it was, how she just pull over and she. She thought that the car was stolen or something like that.

So those were my experiences. And I've also had, like, really great experience.

Rahbin Shyne: Tell us a good one.

Aware Christian: The good ones. Not too long ago, and I was speeding. I was coming from Jersey, and I really wanted to get home to the hospital. So the police officer pulled me over, and he was just.

He was nice, you know, white police officer. He was just kind of perplexed as to why I'm going so fast. He was like, hey, me trying to chase you to stop you, I'm going to even end up killing myself.

And then he was like, why are you speeding so fast? When I explained to him, I have to get to the to to play so I can go to work the next morning.

Which were all true. And he was kind, and he was like, hey, man, there's deer flying around here. It's nighttime. So that was a great experience. And, you know, that changed my habit.

It gave me, like, oh, my goodness, I have to pay attention. I can't be reckless and do that. So overall, I've had great experience, and I kind of see it as.

It's just people where they are in their development and their evolution. And depending where people are, people will act certain ways, right? Yeah.

Rahbin Shyne: Yeah. And I appreciate you sharing some of the good ones, because when officers are about public safety, it really is a blessing. And unfortunately, the ones that are not, that, just like they say, one bad apple can just ruin a bunch.

So thank you for those. Which brings me to our signature question. If the United States was a woman, what would you say to her?

Aware Christian: That's a great one. I would say, you know,

mama America, right?

And so we say Mama Africa. We say Mama America. And I'll say, love all your children and Also appreciate that because you have all these different children from different backgrounds and different places.

That's what make you special.

And I hope that we can teach your children on how to evolve and how to grow. Right? Things are always in motion. Everything is changing. The sun is moving. The only thing that's permanent is change.

And there is this part of people that don't want to grow and got stuck in this space where they don't want to grow. Everything is moving. So that's kind of evolution.

And my hope and my prayer that we can get from a place of growing beyond egocentric ideologies and ethnocentric ideologies. Only my flag matters, only my country matters, only my matters, only my God matters.

To get to a place where world centric and really to kind of understand that we are all basically coming from the same source. So blessings to Mama America and hopefully we're going to get there.

And that's evolution. It takes a few of the population to get to a place, a critical mass to make change. Once that happen, the rest follow, right? Same thing with slaves.

You got to a place where about 10% of the people say, you know what, it's not right to do this. And then we kind of. So yeah, I'm hoping that that happens for Mama America as well.

Because it's a beautiful place and it is beautiful because you got all these children from different places.

Rahbin Shyne: I appreciate what you're. I like the Mama America and.

Aware Christian: Africa, right?

Rahbin Shyne: And there's something about saying Mama America versus as our mother, you should take care of your children. Like by saying Mama, you're kind of imbuing her with a greater capacity for love, you know what I'm saying?

Versus saying mother or, you know, and also the, the I couldn't help but think of. It's so sad. The first thing when you started talking, I was like, yeah, it ain't our fault you slept around.

You got all these kids.

Aware Christian: That happened too, right? But it's a good thing, right?

Rahbin Shyne: You don't want to. Did it, did nobody do it to you?

Aware Christian: You brought people from other places, right?

Rahbin Shyne: Sleeping over in other people's beautiful. And so now you can't just love some. You gotta love all your kids,

right? And I, I love it anyway. But it was just something about the way you said it. I was like, oh, that's funny. So let's talk about love.

What is a moment that exemplifies love? It doesn't have to be the moment of the best love of every. You know, but just what is A moment that exemplifies what love is to you.

Or, or just love.

Aware Christian: Yeah.

So I would think of maybe when my daughter was born.

Yeah. So just the experience of baby coming out and it's right there and it's vulnerable and it's like, oh my gosh,

this thing just happened. Right. And then you know, me being, you know, scientists and understanding like what it takes the development of this one cell to become this and, and being part of it and, and it has its own program and it's going to grow and you know, see this thing to become what it is.

There was a feeling of just like, wow, this is amazing. And that's love. I mean, it would take love to create something like this, right? Creation. It's love. To be able to bring these things together is this higher frequency of energy to bring something together, right.

This emotion, this higher level of emotion, right? Love. You know, Jesus Christ, talk about love. Every tradition, every great wisdom talk about the importance of love. So love is this energy of creation.

And I think that's, that's what I think about, about love. And love is bigger than us. We can't, we can't give it. It's already exists and it's already there.

Rahbin Shyne: That moment that you saw your daughter and she's breathing and you know, as you said, you know, what goes into it? You know, it started as a sperm and an egg and you know, and then it's woo.

And so when she, when she breathes, comes out and you see her.

What did that love do to you?

Aware Christian: So I think it creates this kind of bond and it creates responsibility, it creates self awareness.

Rahbin Shyne: Tell me more about that. Self awareness, like what?

Aware Christian: Yeah, so, you know, like I said, I was the only child and everything was kind of like about me. Right.

All of a sudden I was like, oh, there's a part of me that I would do anything for this kid. I wouldn't. You know, when she was sick as a baby, I just, I couldn't do it.

It just really bothered me. Like I want to take the pain. So there is this part of you that you don't even control that becomes, you know, like you give half of yourself away.

So that was a realization that was different from what I've had before because it was always about me and, and mom and. But then when she came into the picture, it was a different, a different experience.

Rahbin Shyne: Oh, I love what you share now.

Aware Christian: Still is, right? And my son also. Right.

Rahbin Shyne: Yes, of course. Well, and brothers have shared, you know, experiences around for different questions at different times. About their children. And so to. To your son, who's going to listen? It's just because, you know, the firstborn they have.

Aware Christian: That firstborn is different.

Rahbin Shyne: This next question, I vary it from person to person. If you could have five hours with any other black man,

living or deceased, who would it be and why?

Aware Christian: Can I say Jesus Christ?

Rahbin Shyne: You can. You absolutely can. He's a brother.

Aware Christian: He's a brother. Yes. So I will say Barack Obama.

Yeah. So, yeah. Because I. I still get marveled at as to like, you know, did he ever envision this happening? Right. And. And what it is to kind of go through this experience of being a US President, being a black person, and, and really trying to get his response from.

Not. Not like how he would talk to his wife or his kids. Not like, not the stuff that everybody is here. Right. Something that. This is what. This was the experience that he can talk to Michelle or his kids, but he's not going to tell anybody else, really.

So what that is and how. I think it's super, super inspiring for him to just come into this space and let nothing stop him and just have this vision and became the most powerful person in the United States and did that twice in a row and left with grace despite a significant resistance from the country that he's leading,

the country that he's putting his life for. So, yeah, I would. And actually I did some canvassing. It was actually an interesting experience for when Obama was running for president.

I did some conversing. I was a medical student and I.

Rahbin Shyne: Took really 2008 or 2000.

Aware Christian: 2008. This was my first time doing convinced.

Rahbin Shyne: This was before I was a. Done deal. This is.

Aware Christian: Yeah. So this is before he became. And I was like, you know what? And I had a semester that got messed up. So I had this one month off from medical school, and I choose to.

I did that. And it was a very awakening experience how I recognize how hateful people were doing, conversing, going to people's houses and knocking. And people were just pissed. You know, he's a Muslim.

He's. This is. This. It was just, you know, I was kind of naive. I just didn't know. You know, I'm from Ghana. I didn't really understand American politics and. And people were really, really upset.

And I still did not understand why. Why people were so upset. You know, now I kind of get a sense of it. But yeah, so I. I would definitely would love to spend five hours with him to kind of just like, hey, brother, how was it?

And. And to say thank you. I mean, I think. I think he's done something very special for this country, not just for black.

Rahbin Shyne: I agree.

Aware Christian: Yes. Yeah. Redemption. He's. He's done a lot of stuff that I think, you know, we're going to look back and really be proud that America or Mama America made that choice.

Rahbin Shyne: Yeah. And I. I say this whenever his name comes up in these interviews, and I. You know, part of me feels like I should apologize for saying this, but every time someone says, I like.

And he was, like, the most handsome.

Aware Christian: True that, right?

Rahbin Shyne: Yes.

Aware Christian: And he was. He was the coolest.

Rahbin Shyne: He was the coolest.

And I mean, Harvard Law Review, President of the Harvard Law Review. Like, come on, dude. This is. This is a smart guy here. How you gonna be smart and handsome?

Aware Christian: He got it on. Yeah.

Rahbin Shyne: And to play. I. One day I'm.

Aware Christian: Gonna.

Rahbin Shyne: One day I'm just gonna make an episode just about my love for how he played the delegate game. Clinton did not even see him coming. The way he. You know what I mean?

Like, how he went to the red states and got those delegates. And by the time she turned around and saw what he was doing, she was like, what?

Aware Christian: Yeah, so what?

Rahbin Shyne: Which state were you canvassing? Was this when you were in Milwaukee?

Aware Christian: Yeah, this is Wisconsin. Milwaukee.

Rahbin Shyne: So can you share maybe one of your. One of the experiences that stand out, if you wouldn't mind, where you.

Aware Christian: Many, many. And they were all very similar. So we went in this neighborhood, and it was. I think they. I remember this gentleman that I went and knock his door, and people were actually open to.

Because they wanted to be confrontational. They wouldn't say, go away. They wanted to tell you how they actually felt. And this gentleman was really upset. Like, he said, he's a Muslim, and why should a Muslim become the president of the United States?

Really, kind of like some things that were just like. I don't even want to repeat it. It was just really.

Rahbin Shyne: Yeah.

Aware Christian: Appropriate role to talk about, you know, people's religion that way. And, and if you're coming from that background and you're saying that because you're Christian and. And. And that's how you see other people.

That is totally against what. What. What Christianity is. I grew up in church, Right. Yeah. That's not how we treat people. So it was a very interesting experience to get a sense of how people felt about a person who had a different, potentially different religion.

He's not. He wasn't even Muslim.

Rahbin Shyne: Right, Right. Okay.

Aware Christian: Yeah. So. And he was. And then he was not born. Came up multiple times.

Rahbin Shyne: Oh, yeah, the birthers.

Aware Christian: He's from Africa. And you know, which was fine. I'm from Africa. And they could tell because they would say, where are you from? Based on what, you know, how I talk.

But you know, even in that some, some people were, you know, they, they were mad about it, but they were, they were kind to. To come out and talk to you and, and, and, and tell.

Rahbin Shyne: Well, they wanted to save you, get you to stop doing what you were doing.

Aware Christian: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. They just wanted to make sure that it gets the message, gets to somebody about.

Rahbin Shyne: Well, that was, that's why that was generous of you to listen.

Aware Christian: Yeah, yeah, yeah. But it was a very interesting experience. So I actually, I was very. I was proud that I was able to participate in that experience. Yeah. Yeah.

Rahbin Shyne: So, well, thank you for that. Like, you know, we don't all have an opportunities. Well, actually, we do all have the opportunities, but not all of us are. Have availed ourselves to participate in the electoral process, you know, at different levels.

Aware Christian: Yeah. And then even. What was even better was this young people. It was a whole bunch of young people who were all cumbersome. So I just formed this whole community of people for the first time.

People who have never participated in any of this process. I couldn't even vote at that time because I was not even a citizen. So, you know, and there were so many people participating in that process and getting out and having their voices be heard and to stand out.

So it was a very interesting experience. Yeah. So I'm glad that I got to participate in that.

Rahbin Shyne: Yeah. Now that we've had this conversation, what did you get for yourself out of participating in this conversation?

Aware Christian: Yeah. So I think for me, this has been a great way to express and contribute to a problem. I think we don't have a defined problem that we are solvent, but the fact that, you know, we're talking about health, we're talking about social things, we're talking about justice, all of that influence.

I think my goal being a biased physician. Right. Is all that plays a role in health. So I think this discussion has allowed me to be able to kind of bring myself out some vulnerability, talking about some things that I did and, and also being able to put some information out there that my,

My vision and my goal is to be able to influence somebody in a positive way, ultimately get healthy and,

you know, moving forward with that. Yeah. And I also enjoy talking to you, getting to know about you a little bit, and I will want to know more about your work, your mission, and wonderful.

That, you know, you're doing this work to really highlight different people with different backgrounds, you know, black men in particular, because we do need role models, and that is needed community.

Rahbin Shyne: Thank you. Thank you. And it's. It's. It is a privilege for me at the end. I always share that kind of conglomerate impression I have of a brother. Right. And for me, you're that Bob Marley song.

Because right now, the only thing I can think of is you are one love. Because everything you've shared is like,

in every answer, through and through, there is a.

A recognition that we have to do things together as a species to grow, to evolve. Like, you know, whether it's the medical profession and its approach, whether it's dealing with our thoughts, but ultimately it's.

I hear in the background of everything you say that it's about raising our vibration, becoming the expression of love, and that all other things will take care of themselves when we do those things.

And so, yeah, I just, you know, you are one love.

Yeah, that's you.

Aware Christian: Yes, yes, yes. Thank you.

Rahbin Shyne: Dr. Christian, it has been just a privilege to have you here. And I know that some of. I know that some of my listeners have heard things that they're like, oh, my gosh.

Like, I want to know more. I want to understand this philosophy, and maybe they want to come and check out your facility, your practice. Where would you like to send listeners if they want to know a little bit more about Dr.

Christian?

Aware Christian: Yeah. So thank you so much for that opportunity. So my practice is called Ether Medicine, and we actually a practice that's in. Located in Pennsylvania, so I'm in Wayne,

a suburb of Philadelphia. And Medicine. So we can talk to people from all over the country, and people want to connect with us, they can go to. Our website is www.ether medicine.

ETHA is a e t h e r medicine.com and then we also. I also do a lot of education on Instagram, so it's Ethermedicine. People can follow me there, and people can ask questions.

And I'm happy to support and. And. And provide any information that can help with people's health.

Rahbin Shyne: And I.

I will have all of that in the show notes. But I do have a question, because I just find that the philosophical and the holistic way that you talk about medicine, do you also speak to groups?

You do conferences or things like that?

Aware Christian: So I've done a few, you know, presentations talking about medical things. So I talk about health, but I'm very open to talking about different things because it's. It's all connected, right yeah, Medicine and getting people to, you know, sometimes it's just not the medicine, the medicine is just a small part of it.

And really people to what makes you sick. And then, and it's the, is the habits and it's the thoughts and is the, the traumas that people have dealt with and, and, and how do you get them out of it?

It's not going to be a pill, right? Yeah, pharmacology. So really education, and I always say education before medication. People, people don't, people don't understand pain. People are in pain, they have no idea what keep them in pain.

They understand what caused the pain, but they are not open to what is keeping them in pain. What is keeping you in pain is something totally different than. It's not the herniation, it's not that you fall and you had a car accident.

Right. Most people have car accident, they get better after a year. Why are you in pain after three years, five years? What else is going on? Right. And sometimes it turns out people have had trauma.

The nervous system, there's all of these things. And this is not just things that we actually can explain physiologically at a cellular level. And neuroanatomy, we can break all of that down to explain to people.

Okay. Those things do influence how your nervous system work and how your brain works. And the brain is so powerful. You know, you talk about, you know, mind, body and the mind create chemistry.

You have a thought, there is a corresponding chemistry. You know about placebo and nocebo. We tell people that, hey, you're taking this medicine even though it's not a medicine, people believe it and what happened, their body, the brain make that chemistry.

The brain will make the blood pressure medicine in your body. So just imagine what that means and what we can do if we can educate people about the power of the mind and thoughts in healing and in health and in the, all this mind.

Rahbin Shyne: First of all, may I just say you have some of the coolest little one liners.

Education before medication. And there was a couple others. You said, I'm like, those are good, those are good.

So I just want to thank you for sharing your wisdom with our listeners and it's just been a privilege to have you on the show. And I, I, I think I asked about your speaking because I would love to go somewhere that was a health conference and here's a doctor like yourself sharing the views you have around, you know, holistic health. So with that I just want to thank you. And again listeners, just check the show notes so that you can get in touch www.ethermedicine.com thank you for listening to 365 Brothers.

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